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		<title>By: Jonah</title>
		<link>http://la.foodblogging.com/2007/10/18/pr-push/#comment-220066</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 02:05:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am working on a response to the comments and emails I have received from this post. A quick note on &lt;i&gt;another PR gal&lt;/i&gt;'s comment about this site's relationship with the Restaurant Business publication. They asked if they could link to la.foodblogging and I said yes. Anyone can link to this site. They contacted me in February 2006 via email, here is what they asked:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Dear Foodblogging,

I am the group internet manager for a publications group that
specializes in food industry periodicals including Restaurant Business.
We have recently launched a new website for Restaurant Business,
http://www.restaurantbiz.com, and a series of four weekly eNewsletters
that promotes the content on the site. At the moment, our eNewsletter
subscriber base is in excess of 7,000 people and over 50% of that
subscriber base actually clicks into at least one of the editorial
stories present on the eNewsletters.

Included in the editorial content of both Restaurant Businesses'
website and eNewsletters is a component that promotes food related
blogs. We update the blog features on the RB website and promote them
through the eNewsletters on a weekly basis.

My purpose in contacting you is to see if you may be interested in
having your blog featured on RB's site and eNewsletters. The
arrangement that we have worked out with our existing blog partners is
one whereby our editorial team pulls the lead stories off of each blog
and copies/ paraphrases them to the online deliverables of RB. No money
changes hands, but we believe that everyone involved benefits from
increased exposure to quality food related blog content.

If you would be interested in this situation or have any questions,
please let me know and I appreciate your consideration. I will look
forward to hearing from you!

Chris Beck
Internet Manager
Ideal Media LLC&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Here was my response:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Chris-
Thank you for your note.

You are more than welcome to link to our site and excerpt our content. I would prefer that you do not repost our content in its entirety.

Regards,
Jonah&lt;/blockquote&gt;

To which Chris repsponded:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Jonah,

That is great and we will only use a limited amount of text from each of the stories that we post on our eNewsletters and site.

The eNewsletters just have about a 5 word teaser about each of the stories content and the same is true on our home-page. We also have a landing page for our featured blogs and generally we will paraphrase the stories there to a limited detail. Sometimes our editors get very busy and just copy a few sentences out of the stories on the blogs.

Anyhow, la.foodblogging is now featured on Restaurantbiz.com. Thank you very much and I hope that we flow a portion of our traffic to your blog!&lt;/blockquote&gt;

That was the last contact I had with them. As far as I'm concerned, it's no different than anyone linking to our articles, it happens all the time.

&lt;a href="http://www.google.com/search?q=link%3Ala.foodblogging.com&#038;ie=utf-8&#038;oe=utf-8&#038;aq=t&#038;rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&#038;client=firefox-a" rel="nofollow"&gt;Here are almost 1,500 other links to this site.&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am working on a response to the comments and emails I have received from this post. A quick note on <i>another PR gal</i>&#8217;s comment about this site&#8217;s relationship with the Restaurant Business publication. They asked if they could link to la.foodblogging and I said yes. Anyone can link to this site. They contacted me in February 2006 via email, here is what they asked:</p>
<blockquote><p>Dear Foodblogging,</p>
<p>I am the group internet manager for a publications group that<br />
specializes in food industry periodicals including Restaurant Business.<br />
We have recently launched a new website for Restaurant Business,<br />
<a href="http://www.restaurantbiz.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.restaurantbiz.com</a>, and a series of four weekly eNewsletters<br />
that promotes the content on the site. At the moment, our eNewsletter<br />
subscriber base is in excess of 7,000 people and over 50% of that<br />
subscriber base actually clicks into at least one of the editorial<br />
stories present on the eNewsletters.</p>
<p>Included in the editorial content of both Restaurant Businesses&#8217;<br />
website and eNewsletters is a component that promotes food related<br />
blogs. We update the blog features on the RB website and promote them<br />
through the eNewsletters on a weekly basis.</p>
<p>My purpose in contacting you is to see if you may be interested in<br />
having your blog featured on RB&#8217;s site and eNewsletters. The<br />
arrangement that we have worked out with our existing blog partners is<br />
one whereby our editorial team pulls the lead stories off of each blog<br />
and copies/ paraphrases them to the online deliverables of RB. No money<br />
changes hands, but we believe that everyone involved benefits from<br />
increased exposure to quality food related blog content.</p>
<p>If you would be interested in this situation or have any questions,<br />
please let me know and I appreciate your consideration. I will look<br />
forward to hearing from you!</p>
<p>Chris Beck<br />
Internet Manager<br />
Ideal Media LLC</p></blockquote>
<p>Here was my response:</p>
<blockquote><p>Chris-<br />
Thank you for your note.</p>
<p>You are more than welcome to link to our site and excerpt our content. I would prefer that you do not repost our content in its entirety.</p>
<p>Regards,<br />
Jonah</p></blockquote>
<p>To which Chris repsponded:</p>
<blockquote><p>Jonah,</p>
<p>That is great and we will only use a limited amount of text from each of the stories that we post on our eNewsletters and site.</p>
<p>The eNewsletters just have about a 5 word teaser about each of the stories content and the same is true on our home-page. We also have a landing page for our featured blogs and generally we will paraphrase the stories there to a limited detail. Sometimes our editors get very busy and just copy a few sentences out of the stories on the blogs.</p>
<p>Anyhow, la.foodblogging is now featured on Restaurantbiz.com. Thank you very much and I hope that we flow a portion of our traffic to your blog!</p></blockquote>
<p>That was the last contact I had with them. As far as I&#8217;m concerned, it&#8217;s no different than anyone linking to our articles, it happens all the time.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.google.com/search?q=link%3Ala.foodblogging.com&#038;ie=utf-8&#038;oe=utf-8&#038;aq=t&#038;rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&#038;client=firefox-a" rel="nofollow">Here are almost 1,500 other links to this site.</a></p>
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		<title>By: another PR gal</title>
		<link>http://la.foodblogging.com/2007/10/18/pr-push/#comment-220009</link>
		<dc:creator>another PR gal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 00:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bravo restaurant guy!  Your comment is so enlightened, and (hopefully) will inform whoever reads it about the fine pr-restaurant-media balance.

I considered commenting on Jonah's post after I first read it more than a week ago, but I was so incensed by his arrogant tone and the utter lack of understanding about the way the media industry works I didn't want to dignify his post with a response.  I'm especially irked b/c of the site's relationship with Restaurant Business - a trade publication that largely depends on PR people to inspire their content.  A featured post from LA Foodblogging is included in the magazine's weekly e-newsletter every week.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bravo restaurant guy!  Your comment is so enlightened, and (hopefully) will inform whoever reads it about the fine pr-restaurant-media balance.</p>
<p>I considered commenting on Jonah&#8217;s post after I first read it more than a week ago, but I was so incensed by his arrogant tone and the utter lack of understanding about the way the media industry works I didn&#8217;t want to dignify his post with a response.  I&#8217;m especially irked b/c of the site&#8217;s relationship with Restaurant Business - a trade publication that largely depends on PR people to inspire their content.  A featured post from LA Foodblogging is included in the magazine&#8217;s weekly e-newsletter every week.</p>
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		<title>By: hbpapajohn</title>
		<link>http://la.foodblogging.com/2007/10/18/pr-push/#comment-219900</link>
		<dc:creator>hbpapajohn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2007 15:53:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...and the "Full of Himself" award goes to...

RESTAURANT GUY!!!

(clap clap   )</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;and the &#8220;Full of Himself&#8221; award goes to&#8230;</p>
<p>RESTAURANT GUY!!!</p>
<p>(clap clap   )</p>
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		<title>By: restaurant guy</title>
		<link>http://la.foodblogging.com/2007/10/18/pr-push/#comment-219255</link>
		<dc:creator>restaurant guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2007 21:31:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I will take you at your word for your sincere dismay at the proliferation of recent assaults by PR people, I must admit to being a bit perplexed by your naivetÃ© and or lack of experience in the world of publishing/advertising, call it what you will.  Everyone tries to supplement their overt ad campaign with a more covert editorial front.  This is done with PR people for cars, shampoo, even presidential candidates.  It is particularly important for restaurants to use these people, as expensive as it is, because food is a delicate commodity.  It is more personal than almost anything you will buy, because you put it into your body.  And to make it more complicated, it can give you feelings of ecstasy, or in rare occasions kill you.  There is a blind trust between diners and a restaurant.  Diners buy a product that they never see prepared and ingest it.  Because of this delicate relationship, paid ads donâ€™t work.  Word of mouth does and how you get that isâ€¦well this is where we started.  Also, you categorize PR people like they are their own entity.  Who do you think they work for?  Yes, the restaurant owners who work their fingers to the bone and before taking one cent before paying back an investor pool will willing pay someone 3000 per month in the hope that you or Gold, or Virbilla will write, â€œBob Smith makes great fries.â€?  Also, PR people are like anyone else, some have integrity; some donâ€™tâ€¦some only rep places they believe in.  I recommend you find the latter because those are the same ones who have great story ideas and when you or one of your cohorts cannot think of another pumpkin pie idea for Thanksgiving, can get pitched a fresh take.  Maybe they will give you a real scoop.  I must admit, I find your disdain for PR people troubling for someone so new.  It is like a casting agent who hates agents and actors.  Finally, I wouldnâ€™t get so high on yourself, as of 10/22, you only had 18 posts.  So far, Chowhound can rest assured that they will be in business for the near future.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I will take you at your word for your sincere dismay at the proliferation of recent assaults by PR people, I must admit to being a bit perplexed by your naivetÃ© and or lack of experience in the world of publishing/advertising, call it what you will.  Everyone tries to supplement their overt ad campaign with a more covert editorial front.  This is done with PR people for cars, shampoo, even presidential candidates.  It is particularly important for restaurants to use these people, as expensive as it is, because food is a delicate commodity.  It is more personal than almost anything you will buy, because you put it into your body.  And to make it more complicated, it can give you feelings of ecstasy, or in rare occasions kill you.  There is a blind trust between diners and a restaurant.  Diners buy a product that they never see prepared and ingest it.  Because of this delicate relationship, paid ads donâ€™t work.  Word of mouth does and how you get that isâ€¦well this is where we started.  Also, you categorize PR people like they are their own entity.  Who do you think they work for?  Yes, the restaurant owners who work their fingers to the bone and before taking one cent before paying back an investor pool will willing pay someone 3000 per month in the hope that you or Gold, or Virbilla will write, â€œBob Smith makes great fries.â€?  Also, PR people are like anyone else, some have integrity; some donâ€™tâ€¦some only rep places they believe in.  I recommend you find the latter because those are the same ones who have great story ideas and when you or one of your cohorts cannot think of another pumpkin pie idea for Thanksgiving, can get pitched a fresh take.  Maybe they will give you a real scoop.  I must admit, I find your disdain for PR people troubling for someone so new.  It is like a casting agent who hates agents and actors.  Finally, I wouldnâ€™t get so high on yourself, as of 10/22, you only had 18 posts.  So far, Chowhound can rest assured that they will be in business for the near future.</p>
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		<title>By: PRgal</title>
		<link>http://la.foodblogging.com/2007/10/18/pr-push/#comment-217938</link>
		<dc:creator>PRgal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Oct 2007 00:09:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm sorry that you've been unsuccessful at warding off the PR hounds.  Sounds like you've gotten far too influential for your own good.  I won't divulge our clients here but if you want to do some detective work, I won't deter you. (Though your time is probably best spent trying out new restaurants.)

In answering the final question of your post: &lt;i&gt;How do you deal with it? How do you think bloggers should deal with it?&lt;/i&gt;

You just deal with it.  Simple as that.  Delete it, answer it, embarrass flacks by posting up the poorly written ones, whatever your little heart desires.  The pen is still yours, writer.  So what if we think your opinion is important enough that we might want to bombard you with press releases?  That's the hardest part about being in PR rather than advertising.  We can't pay you to write what we want -- the choice is always yours.  

Jonathan Gold, my personal hero, is notorious for never talking to PR people.  But trust me, that doesn't stop ANYONE from sending him press releases.  He &lt;i&gt;does&lt;/i&gt; read them though, and more often that not, we will eventually see our clients in the Weekly -- along with 100 other places he tries.  At least he doesn't discriminate against restaurants with PR companies...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sorry that you&#8217;ve been unsuccessful at warding off the PR hounds.  Sounds like you&#8217;ve gotten far too influential for your own good.  I won&#8217;t divulge our clients here but if you want to do some detective work, I won&#8217;t deter you. (Though your time is probably best spent trying out new restaurants.)</p>
<p>In answering the final question of your post: <i>How do you deal with it? How do you think bloggers should deal with it?</i></p>
<p>You just deal with it.  Simple as that.  Delete it, answer it, embarrass flacks by posting up the poorly written ones, whatever your little heart desires.  The pen is still yours, writer.  So what if we think your opinion is important enough that we might want to bombard you with press releases?  That&#8217;s the hardest part about being in PR rather than advertising.  We can&#8217;t pay you to write what we want &#8212; the choice is always yours.  </p>
<p>Jonathan Gold, my personal hero, is notorious for never talking to PR people.  But trust me, that doesn&#8217;t stop ANYONE from sending him press releases.  He <i>does</i> read them though, and more often that not, we will eventually see our clients in the Weekly &#8212; along with 100 other places he tries.  At least he doesn&#8217;t discriminate against restaurants with PR companies&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Jonah</title>
		<link>http://la.foodblogging.com/2007/10/18/pr-push/#comment-217869</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Oct 2007 21:07:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>tannaz- You're so right. The great thing about blogging is that the author can choose their own direction. 

Sounds like you have been added to the same topical mailing list I have, I was particularly surprised to see the wording at the bottom of the email:

&lt;i&gt;"This e-mail was sent to xxxxxx@gmail.com because you are subscribed to XXXXXX-XX's mailing lists."&lt;/i&gt;

Funny, I don't remember subscribing, at least there is an unsubscribe link.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>tannaz- You&#8217;re so right. The great thing about blogging is that the author can choose their own direction. </p>
<p>Sounds like you have been added to the same topical mailing list I have, I was particularly surprised to see the wording at the bottom of the email:</p>
<p><i>&#8220;This e-mail was sent to <a href="mailto:xxxxxx@gmail.com">xxxxxx@gmail.com</a> because you are subscribed to XXXXXX-XX&#8217;s mailing lists.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Funny, I don&#8217;t remember subscribing, at least there is an unsubscribe link.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonah</title>
		<link>http://la.foodblogging.com/2007/10/18/pr-push/#comment-217865</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Oct 2007 21:02:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PRGirl, thanks for participating in the conversation:

&lt;i&gt;Have you ever considered writing back to a PR company and politely asking them to take you off their media list? It takes about two seconds, same as unsubscribing to a newsletter.&lt;/i&gt;

Sure, I do it often. Sometimes I get a nice response, sometimes silence, and sometimes I get emails from someone else in the same PR company.

&lt;i&gt;(And if youâ€™re wondering, you are not on our media list, and have never been.)&lt;/i&gt;

OK, what restaurants or companies do you represent?

&lt;i&gt;Thatâ€™s fine, as long as you spent money at my clientâ€™s restaurant, I could give two hoots about whether you write it up or not. At the end of the day, itâ€™s still a business for them.&lt;/i&gt;

You might give two hoots, but the vast majority of PR emails I get seem to give three hoots that I do write about their restaurant. I'm not one to tell you how to do your job, but why would you contact food blogs and not want them to write about your client?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PRGirl, thanks for participating in the conversation:</p>
<p><i>Have you ever considered writing back to a PR company and politely asking them to take you off their media list? It takes about two seconds, same as unsubscribing to a newsletter.</i></p>
<p>Sure, I do it often. Sometimes I get a nice response, sometimes silence, and sometimes I get emails from someone else in the same PR company.</p>
<p><i>(And if youâ€™re wondering, you are not on our media list, and have never been.)</i></p>
<p>OK, what restaurants or companies do you represent?</p>
<p><i>Thatâ€™s fine, as long as you spent money at my clientâ€™s restaurant, I could give two hoots about whether you write it up or not. At the end of the day, itâ€™s still a business for them.</i></p>
<p>You might give two hoots, but the vast majority of PR emails I get seem to give three hoots that I do write about their restaurant. I&#8217;m not one to tell you how to do your job, but why would you contact food blogs and not want them to write about your client?</p>
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		<title>By: tannaz</title>
		<link>http://la.foodblogging.com/2007/10/18/pr-push/#comment-217847</link>
		<dc:creator>tannaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Oct 2007 19:58:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>what makes blogging so enjoyable to me is how personal it is.  people interact with strangers in a familiar, conversational tone.  so, if i get an earnest inquiry from someone who addresses me as a human being, and if it's something relevant to what i generally write about, i'll bite.  of course, this does not mean i'll write about whatever they're pitching, nor that i'll give it a positive endorsement.

on the other hand, a mass-mailed press release about a kosher steakhouse in manhattan?  not so much.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>what makes blogging so enjoyable to me is how personal it is.  people interact with strangers in a familiar, conversational tone.  so, if i get an earnest inquiry from someone who addresses me as a human being, and if it&#8217;s something relevant to what i generally write about, i&#8217;ll bite.  of course, this does not mean i&#8217;ll write about whatever they&#8217;re pitching, nor that i&#8217;ll give it a positive endorsement.</p>
<p>on the other hand, a mass-mailed press release about a kosher steakhouse in manhattan?  not so much.</p>
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		<title>By: PRgal</title>
		<link>http://la.foodblogging.com/2007/10/18/pr-push/#comment-217835</link>
		<dc:creator>PRgal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Oct 2007 18:48:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Have you ever considered writing back to a PR company and politely asking them to take you off their media list?  It takes about two seconds, same as unsubscribing to a newsletter.  (And if you're wondering, you are not on our media list, and have never been.)

And as for this comment:
&lt;i&gt;I have to tell you though, that my general policy is to not mention a place where I get PR notes from, even if I do end up eating there.&lt;/i&gt;

That's fine, as long as you spent money at my client's restaurant, I could give two hoots about whether you write it up or not.  At the end of the day, it's still a business for them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have you ever considered writing back to a PR company and politely asking them to take you off their media list?  It takes about two seconds, same as unsubscribing to a newsletter.  (And if you&#8217;re wondering, you are not on our media list, and have never been.)</p>
<p>And as for this comment:<br />
<i>I have to tell you though, that my general policy is to not mention a place where I get PR notes from, even if I do end up eating there.</i></p>
<p>That&#8217;s fine, as long as you spent money at my client&#8217;s restaurant, I could give two hoots about whether you write it up or not.  At the end of the day, it&#8217;s still a business for them.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr. Diner</title>
		<link>http://la.foodblogging.com/2007/10/18/pr-push/#comment-217505</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr. Diner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Oct 2007 23:07:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have also noticed an influx in email from my blog and the website I work for (Dinersnation.com).  The thing is, Yahoo is pretty good at filtering the stuff about Drugs, porn, and gambling.  Just an FYI, try not click on the Unsubscribe links.  This tells the spammer that your email address is live and they will send you more stuff and sell your email to other spammers.  

Another thing...If a PR person is sending you spam and they don't have a removal option, I would report them to their host for not following the rules according to the Can-Spam Act.  There is no reason why they can't do this (unless they are spamming). 

I like your blog, I found it randomly.  I will add you to my lfavs.  Have a great one.

Mr. Diner.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have also noticed an influx in email from my blog and the website I work for (Dinersnation.com).  The thing is, Yahoo is pretty good at filtering the stuff about Drugs, porn, and gambling.  Just an FYI, try not click on the Unsubscribe links.  This tells the spammer that your email address is live and they will send you more stuff and sell your email to other spammers.  </p>
<p>Another thing&#8230;If a PR person is sending you spam and they don&#8217;t have a removal option, I would report them to their host for not following the rules according to the Can-Spam Act.  There is no reason why they can&#8217;t do this (unless they are spamming). </p>
<p>I like your blog, I found it randomly.  I will add you to my lfavs.  Have a great one.</p>
<p>Mr. Diner.</p>
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